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My tiny hope for creating a different world, moving past this trade-based bullshit society, is shattered every time I see people talk about web3.0. The idea of integrating trade directly into the web. Humans used to trade sheep for shoes. The labor for clothes or whatever. Later they invented a currency to make more complex trades possible. They then got so retarded that they started to trade currency for currency.

And the motherfuckers invented the web, a digital space where things don't really exist. They can be replicated. If I have a photo or a book or whatever in this universe, I can share it with anyone and create endless copies.

And now this motherfuckers think that .... well .... let's make these endlessly replicable things unique and thus scarce. Let's NFT the world!

Bravo Internet Archive for imagining this wonderful world of the abundant internet transformed into a shit hole - https://blog.archive.org/2022/01/11/imagining-a-better-online-world-exploring-the-decentralized-web/

I mean the internet is already a shit hole. And whoever sells digital stuff is part of the shit hole. That's the hard truth. Yeah this society forces you to sell your digital stuff, but at least admit that. Admit it that this is a retardation of our species.

We will trade likes for photos, digital goods for other digital goods. Endless trading into nothingness. More jobs!!! Yay. We have an abundant world of physical goods already, and no doubt of digital goods. And yet humans still think that we have to trade for these. The economy is a religion folks. The biggest on earth.

When is the next rocket launch ? I may sneak in so I get sent into space. This species is retarded no end. #tromlive

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Rokosun

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Its sad to see projects like Internet Archive supporting web3.0, trade seems to be so integrated in this system that we can even call it trade2.0 instead, lol 😂 I also would like to sneak into a rocket and leave this shitty place, haha.

But on a positive note, @aral made https://web0.small-web.org/ and its showing that there are saner people here too. I hope people realize the truth and move to a truly decentralized internet without of all the corporate trade BS like Meta
@tio @yogthos

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@Aral Balkan @Tio

Tio mag das.

Joachim hat dies geteilt.

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Leonie :pb: :22breadinv: :vf:

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ironically they are the ones that know too well that nothing on the internet can be owned hence why the internet archive exists anyway

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Leonie :pb: :22breadinv: :vf:

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also they deleted my comment about anything that is against this bullshit. looks like they don't like criticism.

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Rokosun

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Also I think IPFS had all these stuff long before, right ?
@aral @tio @yogthos

@Aral Balkan @Tio

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Tio

Als Antwort auf Rokosun • 2 Jahre her • •

Yeah I think IPFS and the like can deal with such things. There are ofc all kinds of ways to label unique content inside of a system. But to push for NFTs and to think it is ok for people to keep on trading their digital nonsense or whatever sense, it is wrong. You fail to see the greater and more important influence of all that, that ruins our entire world and ourselves.

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Aral Balkan

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

Check out the org that makes IPFS… hint, they’re VC-funded.

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Torsten

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@Tio seems like capitalism is becoming (or has always been) just as totalitarian an ideology as fascism.

@Tio

Mek101 mag das.

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Tio

Als Antwort auf Torsten • 2 Jahre her • •

It is just the game of trade. Regardless if this is china, us, cuba, europe... Humans have become insane because of this trade environment and they still want to trade, without asking what's the purpose of trade in the first place. If we have an abundance of stuff, why keep on trading useless shit just to keep us in the game.

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feld

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

whose lives are being ruined by trading NFTs?

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Sexy Moon

Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • 2 Jahre her • •

what's the problem, you don't have to care who made it, ipfs doesn't have any dependencies on any service. It's basically analogous to bittorrent.

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Tio

Als Antwort auf feld • 2 Jahre her • •

Trading makes us change this for that like the players of the monopoly board game. And we then become profiteers, charlatans, and mindless creatures that all they care is to trade. And make some profits. This mindset is what drives the problems we see in the world today, where instead of NFTs humans trade endless and useless digital stuff, clothes, useless gadgets, and so forth, with no regard for their brains, or this planet. I wrote a book all about this craziness https://www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbook-df_6562/1/

So if humans are going to promote the same mindset in the online world, which they do, then we move the shithole from offline to online.

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feld

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

so you don't want to live in a world where the friction for sending money to people is basically zero which would drastically increase the velocity of money in the western world and lift tons of people out of poverty as well as opening to doors to every internet user from a *consumer* into a *creator* where they can make a living as a self-employed entrepreneur without having to get permission from any corporation, government, or bank to do so?

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Tio

Als Antwort auf feld • 2 Jahre her • •

That's the blind mistake, right there. You brush aside the extraordinarily bad and powerful effects of trade, and choose to look at some positive aspects of it. These "creators" are also consumers. You create THIS, then you get THAT in return. Usually a currency. Now your incentive is to spend THAT. And so we are creating the wonderful world that we see today, only that you want it all to happen with nonsense nfts, and cryptocurrencies. And they won't even remove any middleman. Anyone today can basically build a website and sell their stuff there, but do they? No. They flock on fb, amazon and the like.

Will they flock on massive and centralized nft stores/communities in this grand future you imagine? Probably yes.

As for "lift tons of people out of poverty" we should do that, not by enslaving them and forcing them to trade this for that, but to simply help them. We throw 40-50% of all edible food today while 9mil people die of starvation. These, yearly. We throw 500 cruise-ships of clothes and 350 cruise-ships of electronics every year. In Europe there are 3 times more empty homes than homeless people. We have to get our heads out of this society for a bit, to think more wisely about ourselves and our future.

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Aaron mag das.

Mek101 hat dies geteilt.

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feld

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

> You brush aside the extraordinarily bad and powerful effects of trade, and choose to look at some positive aspects of it.

On a scale of 1 to 5 what would you say is your skill of understanding the intricacies of global macroeconomics? Because statements like this resonate with people who only scratch the surface.

You are aware that in China simply by moving the majority of all monetary transactions from physical to digital with zero fees has completely transformed the country since they started this initiative in 2014, right?

China's doing $52 trillion!!!! in digital payments. Their GDP is ~$15T. Their velocity of money is off the charts.

USA's doing $7T in credit cards, $98B in mobile payments, and ~$300B in Venmo/Zelle. USA's GDP is about $20T.

Worldwide all credit cards combined is only $35T. So China internally is doing about 1.5x the entire world. This builds an extremely healthy economy and provides opportunity and speeds up wealth generation massively.

So obviously China's smashing our economic growth simply by removing the friction on payments and charging zero fees -- something we will never see our government or private sector do.

This is the future we need to get to or we will end up with war against China as they take over the world with their Belt and Road Initiative. The solution is a worldwide open crypto network, not China's closed RMB that will soon be a fully digital CBDC.

https://richturrin.com/rich-turrin-author/cashless-chinas-digital-currency-revolution/

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Aral Balkan

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Well here’s what I do know: some folks invested $5M and they want $1B back. So how’s it going to make them that $1B?

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Sexy Moon

Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • 2 Jahre her • •

That's fair. They could start doing evil things to it in the future. (I'd just fork it then lol but still yeah)

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Tio

Als Antwort auf feld • 2 Jahre her • •

This is the future we need to get to or we will end up with war against China as they take over the world with their Belt and Road Initiative.

Well that summarizes how far deep into the religion of economics you are and how you obviously understand how such power like China, is to be feared. You brag about their economic growth (imaginable currency growth), and at the same time fear their expansion.

China is one, if not the most, polluting and waste creating tribe int the world. Not to mention their gov control powers or billionaires and inequality it has created. The tens of millions of empty homes, the oppressed minorities there. I don't think you chose your example right.

You want to see my arguments as to why this trade based society is such a shithole?

The Money Game and Beyond book I wrote https://www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbook-df_6616/1/
The Origin of Most Problems book that I wrote https://www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbook-df_6562/1/

I have way more but that's a start.

The "economy" is a human invention that makes no sense when we live in an abundant world.

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Tio

Als Antwort auf feld • 2 Jahre her • •

If you measure the success of humans via a currency, then you are sadly lost. Reality is not close to you. Success should be in how many people have access to their basic needs for free; how much or little are humans stressed; their health, the state of biodiversity on this planet, the knowledge humans have about reality (from atoms to galaxies), how good they are with each other, how much free time they have, and so forth.

Relationships, trees and rivers, curiosity and exploration, helping others, better health and so forth, are real values. Trade gave rise to currencies, and currencies have value only inside of a trade system. Like a painting being more expensive than saving 1000 cancer patients, a car more expensive than an entire forest, and so forth.

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Aaron mag das.

Mek101 hat dies geteilt.

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Rokosun

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

Yeah NFTs are the craziest shit ever, I can't believe people are falling for this 🤦‍♂️

I think Meta is the manifestation of it all, a big corporation with the only goal of profit in mind, is promoting NFTs, what could go wrong ? Not to mention its one of the most privacy invasive and addictive platforms ever, there's lot of issues with this......
@aral @yogthos @tychosoft

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Aral Balkan

Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • 2 Jahre her • •

https://protocol.ai/

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feld

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

I don't think we actually disagree that much, except about how we get there. And we don't get there with societies built around a fiat currency.

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Tio

Als Antwort auf feld • 2 Jahre her • •

There, from my perspective, is to a world where trade is obsolete. Meaning no currencies in any form or other trades. People's needs are met trade free and we rely mostly on "volunteers" for all aspects of our society. And I argue that this is not far fetched in the books above or in many at tromsite.com/books. We provide examples of how millions of volunteer humans are already the backbone of many parts of our society already, and so forth.

Do we agree about this place called "there"? :)

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feld

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

trade can never be obsolete as its ingrained into our psyche. It's instinct. Even animals do it.

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Tio

Als Antwort auf feld • 2 Jahre her • •

Of course that's not a scientific claim. I do not want or like to trade. Same as millions of people nowadays. And the rest are forced to. Our behavior comes from the environment we grow into. The better and more caring the env, the better and more caring the humans. The more competitive the env, the more competitive the humans. And so on.

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Adamas Nemesis

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

Can't say I agree with this 100%, but certainly some provoking and poignant thoughts here. 👍

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Mek101

Als Antwort auf Tio • 2 Jahre her • •

The capitalist system is inherently hostile to an open and free internet, as it has trouble monetizing it. NFT are it's tool to enforce artificial scarcity in a place where it doesn't belong

Aaron mag das.

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Andy

Als Antwort auf Mek101 • 2 Jahre her • •

> NFT are it's tool to enforce artificial scarcity in a place where it doesn't belong

So much this. I often say it, or something similar, and it deserves frequent repetition.

I'll add that it's not just that scarcity doesn't belong, it's irrelevant. It simply does not exist when a resource can be infinitely or near infinitely replicated.
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Tio mag das.

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